Ch 4 · Lesson 24

Da or de: a glass of water

is a glassful; is a glass of THAT water. follows a quantity and never stands before , or .

The short version

Before , gives way to

.

I drank a glass of the water.
Why?

measures stuff in general: , a glass of water. Once the stuff is a particular thing you have identified, with , or a possessive in front, standard usage switches to : , a glass of that water; , some of my money. The check is mechanical: if comes next, write .

against

/

a glassful of wine / a wine glass, probably empty
Why?

Two letters, two different objects. is a glassful of wine: the glass is measuring and the wine is the point, so you can drink it. is a wine glass: the glass is the point and the wine a mere association, so it is probably empty. answers how much, answers what kind or whose. The same contrast runs through , a bottle of milk, against , a milk bottle.

The da rule

da (how much)de (an identified thing)object -nWhat do the colours mean?

A quantity links to the stuff it measures with , and the stuff stays bare. The left side can be an adverb, , or a measure noun:

  • a glass of water a glass of water
  • a cup of tea a cup of tea
  • a bottle of milk a bottle of milk
QuantityEsperantoEnglish
measure noun a e of bread
measure noun a heap of work
adverb some water
?How much coffee?

The noun after never takes -n, even when the whole phrase is the object. The -n goes on the measure word:

  • . - I drank a glass of water.
A table with a pink scalloped tablecloth, set with a loaf of bread, a wedge of cheese with holes, a jug of water, a bottle of orange juice, a bowl of fruit and a cake with a cherry on top, several of them smiling.

Kruĉo da akvo, a jug of water; botelo da suko, a bottle of juice; bovlo da fruktoj, a bowl of fruit. Each container measures what is in it.

Never da before la

measures stuff in general. Once the stuff is a particular, identified thing (after , or a possessive), standard usage switches to . A few writers defend here when a real measure is meant, but is what you will read and what to write:

MeasuredEnglishIdentifiedEnglish
a glass of wine a glass of the wine
a lot of water much of the water
a e of cake a e of that cake
some money some of my money

The check is mechanical: if the next word is , or a possessive, write .

  • . - She drank a glass of the wine.

da vs de: the minimal pairs

Even with no , the two words say different things:

EsperantoEnglish
a glassful of wine
a glass for wine (maybe empty)
a bottle of milk, to drink
a milk bottle
the door of the house

answers how much; answers what kind or whose. The clearest word for the empty wine glass is the compound vinglaso; you will still meet used loosely for a glassful, but the careful form is . When in doubt, is the general word and the specialist.

Going further: The quantity words and the rest of the guide, when you want them. This lesson does not need them.

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